Edit; Die Software fuegt die Beitraege automatisch zusammen. Ich habe die einzelnen Beitraege nun durch Linien getrennt und hoffe, dass dies die Sache ein wenig einfacher macht.
Ich stelle dies nun an den Anfang, weil am ehestens relevant. ACHTUNG: Bei den Krankenhauspreisen ist nun weiterer Spielraum nach oben eingebaut. Wegen der Pflichtkrankenversicherung wird dies vermutlich weniger spannend sein. Allerdings wird eine Vorauszahlung des Patienten erfolgen. Daneben dann noch die 3000 USD SIcherheitsdeposits weiter unten benannt. Mal sehen, was sonst so auftaucht.
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Warten lohnt sich... man wird klueger und zwar von Tag zu Tag: Der naechste Hammer.....
Ich hatte mir einmal ausgerechnet was denn der Spass einer Einreise nach Kambo kostet. Nun die Kambodschaner sind auch nicht bloede und haben das natuerlich selbst auch gemacht. Man nimmt nun den schlimmsten Fall an und erwartet 3000 USD auf den Tisch des Hauses bei Einreise. D.h. Krankenhauskosten werden als Grundlage der Berechnung angenommen und man sichert sich ab. Der juristisch versierte Kambodschaner verzichtet hingegen auf ein Vorauszahlung der Krematoriumskosten. Vermutlich will man einen Vorsatz ausschliessen.
www.khmertimeskh.com
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Ich ergaenze noch eine sehr schlechte Uebersetzung eines Erlasses. Ich bringe die englische Version, weil eine weitere Uebersetzung in's Deutsche noch mehr SPrachsalat produzieren wuerde. Das Teil wurde auf einem Kamboforum eingestellt, dort findet man auch das Original. QUelle per PM.
Die meisten Infos sind durch den Khmertimes Beitrag abgedeckt. Einige Details sind vielleicht ueberarbeitet worden, aber dies wird nicht wirklich relevant sein. Der Grund warum ich das Teil hier einstelle ist ein Satz im letzten Teil, den ich farbig markiert habe. Aus diesem Satz ergibt sich ein offensichtliches Profitinteresse. Ich frage mich, wieso ein kambodschanisches Essen 10 USD kosten soll? Klar, das geht schon, aber 3x pro Tag. Es kann nun durchaus sein, dass man fuer einen Teller Reis mit etwas oben drauf (Kostenpunkt 1.5-2 USD) nun 10 USD abdruecken darf. Es gibt auch keinerlei Infos ueber die vorgesehenen Krankenhaeuser. Sollte es ein normales kambodschanisches sein, dann ist dies u.U. nicht viel mehr als ein kurzer Umweg zum Krematorium. Ich bezweifle stark, dass eine der wenigen internationalen Kliniken mit dabei sind. Deren Preise liegen um ein vielfaches pro Tag hoeher.
Google Translation of original document...
Kingdom of Cambodia National Religion King King of the Ministry of Economy and Finance No.4% E ... Mfg .. On the 13th of the month or the year of the Penal Code 2564 Phnom Penh, 4 April 2020
Health A / Case Requests for Foreign Service Charges for HIV Testing 19 Testing and Testing of KV-19 Patients in Government Hospitals Reference: Letter 495 SONHH, dated May 26, 2020, of the Ministry of Health - Meeting of the Inter-Ministerial Commission for the Fight against KV-19 on May 25, 2020.
In response to the above statement, I would like to inform the Minister that the Ministry of Economy and Finance has reviewed and approved the principle of determining the fees from foreign travelers to Cambodia during the implementation of health measures to prevent and respond. Outbreaks of influenza-19:
About Fees
1. Payment for Foreign Travelers Arriving in Cambodia While Waiting for Sample Result until Result on V-19 Result, I Prefer One Unit Cost Fare from Airport to Center Saving 5 USD / 1 person / 1 Foot Waiting for Testing and Test Results
2 Cost of Sample and Delivery of Sample to US $ 100/152/1 Lab for Testing and Output
3 Cost of Residence in Hotel or Residence $ 30 / day / 1 person determined by the Inter-Ministerial Commission
4 three-course meal cost $ 30 / day per person,
Street 92, Sangkat Wat Phnom, Khan Daun Penh, Phnom Penh, Cambodia 5.32, Sangkat Wat Khas Dan CASIBODIA. Phone (+855) 23 890 666 Phone: (+85) 1.0% 4-
II. Negative Passenger Fee Accommodation with Positive Passenger at Hotel or Resort Center for 14 days Prop. Unit Cost $ 5 Transportation / 1 person /
2 Accommodation Cost At Hotel or Center Center $ 30 / day / 1 person,
3 samples taken and delivery to the department $ 100/1/1 person for testing and output
4 meal cost 3 $ 30 / day / 1
5 people laundry and hygiene services $ 15 / day / 1 person
6 day care services for an average of $ 6 / day / 1 person (center)
7 security services (in packs) 3 USD / day 1 person
III. Costs for the examination and treatment of a positive 19-patient in a state hospital Preferred unit cost $ 5 shipping / 1 person,
2 samples taken and delivery to the department (4 minimum) $ 100 1 person /
3 hospital fee $ 30 / day 1 person
4 treatment cost including maximum dose $ 150 / day 1 person
5 meal cost $ 30 / day 1 person
6 laundry service $ 15 / day /
7 Ambulance according to the hospital's existing service charge chart Physiotherapists by the hospital's existing services list
8 crematorium $ 1,500 / 1 person
IV. Issuance of health certificate related to HIV / AIDS 19 Comments Cost per unit cost $ 100 / person / dose 2 Health certificate issued $ 30 / person 1 time 3. 7 8d 2
A. For hotel accommodations or resorts as defined in Tables I3 and II.2 above, this may be allowed in excess of the amount required for special services.
B. Regarding the procedure for the payment of foreign travelers to Cambodia, payment must be made to the destination provider at the actual cost and in accordance with the cost guidelines set out above. The Ministry of Health should consult with relevant ministries to allow banks to have trouble at arrival and departure terminals so that passengers can deposit money by exchanging debit cards for payment and withdrawing funds in accordance with the spirit of the transaction.
Inter-Ministerial Meeting on Technical Level May 27 and 28, 2020. For the treatment of Kov 5-19 patients at state hospitals, the Ministry of Health should require travelers to purchase local insurance to facilitate payment. At the same time, it is advisable to allow the insurance company to sell the insurance policy with the bank at the international gate in the passenger terminal.
An online system to improve operational efficiency should be designed as soon as possible for passengers to pay, deposit and withdraw the rest, and purchase KVA 5-19 insurance products for the purpose of facilitating.
To travelers in and out of Cambodia. For the fees that state entities (hospitals and laboratories set by the Ministry of Health) receive under this framework, they are allowed to be maintained as a benefit to the development of their unit. Received Allowances from the above Fees shall not be allowed for the allowance in overlap with the principles set forth in Letter No. 2695, MEF, dated 9 April 2020 on the provision of additional allowance policy. For the medical team fighting the epidemic of Kov 5-19, as mentioned above, the Minister would like to know and take action. Ministry of Economy and Finance, some or some specialists
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Ich war auf einem Kamboforum unterwegs und fand dies. Wiederum in Englisch und hier lohnt sich vielleicht die Chromesuchmaschine fuer eine deutsche Fassung. Ein aktueller Erfahrungsbericht ueber einen Versuch nach Kambodscha zu kommen:
Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group
Paul M BakerCambodia Visa and Work Permit Group
14 hrs · Shared with Members of Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group
Trip report: Flying from the USA to Phnom Penh.
I booked flights on June 9th from Boston to Phnom Penh on Delta Airlines, who codeshares with Korean Air. In Boston my documents were checked and I was allowed to board for my flight to JFK where I was to transfer to Korean Air.
As soon as I went to the ticket agent at the Korean Air desk and attempted to get a boarding pass a Korean Air supervisor was called over. From his demeanor walking over, I knew that there would be problems. First, he checked my still valid retirement visa and there was nothing that he could say about that. He then spent time looking at my insurance paperwork which was all in order. I had several documents which did more than satisfy what was required by the Cambodian government.
He then started reviewing my Covid test results. First, the report from the clinic stated that Covid 19 was "not detected" and he told me that the report had to say that the test was "negative". We debated that point for a while and then moved on to the format of the report. He insisted that there needed to be a stamp on my Covid test results from a hospital. I wasn't sure what he meant because stamps are not used here in the US for certifying medical documents. He then pointed out other flaws, in his opinion, on the way the the report was formatted. I told him this was a typical laboratory report from a US hospital and that the results were also online on a secure portal to my hospital website. His reply was that he was not going to let me board the flight.
The supervisor mentioned several times during our conversation that Korean Air had many problems with passengers going to Phnom Penh being denied entry and forced to return to their departure city as Korean Air's expense. His solution apparently was just to not allow anyone to fly to Phnom Penh. While I was waiting for my luggage another passenger going to Phnom Penh was denied boarding by Korean Air. I went back to the Delta terminal and was flown back to Boston.
I can't say this conclusively but my gut feeling is that Korean Air, at least at JFK, will not let American citizens board a flight with Phnom Penh as a destination.
So now my Covid test results have timed out. My plan now is to buy a ticket on Asiana, start the document process over again and try again next week. I have friend who is a notary pubic who can put some official looking stamps on my paperwork that should satisfy the small-minded bureaucrats. In addition to the lab report, I will ask the doctor for a letter with his signature stating that I my test was "negative.
Wish me luck.
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FUCK ME!!!!
In der Diskussion des FB Beitrages tauchte dann dieser Kommentar auf:
"Paul White
I arrived at ICN last night and had the same problem. Covid test from the NHS is emailed negative. They wanted it signed by somebody. Was forced to buy a return incase of problems at PNH. There were. I was placed on next flight back to ICN. Total shambles leaving plane and left to fend for myself being told to go to the korean airline check desk on level 4. No way through immagration and had to purchase an outbound ticket before allowed into terminal. Several others in same position. Why o why did Qatar allow me to board at LHR?
Now waiting to fly to Frankfurt and then onto London. Left on Tuesday 0600 BST to airport. Looks like will be arriving back at home around 0200 BST Friday minus roughly $3,500 USD "
Die Berichte zeigen, dass es wesentliche Unterschiede in der Bewertung der Covid 19 Test Dokumente gibt. Eventuell sollte man sich diese notariell beglaubigen lassen und dann noch in englischer Sprache, am besten in einer Bundesbehoerde. Wahnsinn
Ich stelle dies nun an den Anfang, weil am ehestens relevant. ACHTUNG: Bei den Krankenhauspreisen ist nun weiterer Spielraum nach oben eingebaut. Wegen der Pflichtkrankenversicherung wird dies vermutlich weniger spannend sein. Allerdings wird eine Vorauszahlung des Patienten erfolgen. Daneben dann noch die 3000 USD SIcherheitsdeposits weiter unten benannt. Mal sehen, was sonst so auftaucht.


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Warten lohnt sich... man wird klueger und zwar von Tag zu Tag: Der naechste Hammer.....
Ich hatte mir einmal ausgerechnet was denn der Spass einer Einreise nach Kambo kostet. Nun die Kambodschaner sind auch nicht bloede und haben das natuerlich selbst auch gemacht. Man nimmt nun den schlimmsten Fall an und erwartet 3000 USD auf den Tisch des Hauses bei Einreise. D.h. Krankenhauskosten werden als Grundlage der Berechnung angenommen und man sichert sich ab. Der juristisch versierte Kambodschaner verzichtet hingegen auf ein Vorauszahlung der Krematoriumskosten. Vermutlich will man einen Vorsatz ausschliessen.

Foreigners to be charged “$3000 deposit” for C-19 quarantine, tests - Khmer Times
The government has decided to charge all foreign visitors for lab testing.

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Ich ergaenze noch eine sehr schlechte Uebersetzung eines Erlasses. Ich bringe die englische Version, weil eine weitere Uebersetzung in's Deutsche noch mehr SPrachsalat produzieren wuerde. Das Teil wurde auf einem Kamboforum eingestellt, dort findet man auch das Original. QUelle per PM.
Die meisten Infos sind durch den Khmertimes Beitrag abgedeckt. Einige Details sind vielleicht ueberarbeitet worden, aber dies wird nicht wirklich relevant sein. Der Grund warum ich das Teil hier einstelle ist ein Satz im letzten Teil, den ich farbig markiert habe. Aus diesem Satz ergibt sich ein offensichtliches Profitinteresse. Ich frage mich, wieso ein kambodschanisches Essen 10 USD kosten soll? Klar, das geht schon, aber 3x pro Tag. Es kann nun durchaus sein, dass man fuer einen Teller Reis mit etwas oben drauf (Kostenpunkt 1.5-2 USD) nun 10 USD abdruecken darf. Es gibt auch keinerlei Infos ueber die vorgesehenen Krankenhaeuser. Sollte es ein normales kambodschanisches sein, dann ist dies u.U. nicht viel mehr als ein kurzer Umweg zum Krematorium. Ich bezweifle stark, dass eine der wenigen internationalen Kliniken mit dabei sind. Deren Preise liegen um ein vielfaches pro Tag hoeher.
Google Translation of original document...
Kingdom of Cambodia National Religion King King of the Ministry of Economy and Finance No.4% E ... Mfg .. On the 13th of the month or the year of the Penal Code 2564 Phnom Penh, 4 April 2020
Health A / Case Requests for Foreign Service Charges for HIV Testing 19 Testing and Testing of KV-19 Patients in Government Hospitals Reference: Letter 495 SONHH, dated May 26, 2020, of the Ministry of Health - Meeting of the Inter-Ministerial Commission for the Fight against KV-19 on May 25, 2020.
In response to the above statement, I would like to inform the Minister that the Ministry of Economy and Finance has reviewed and approved the principle of determining the fees from foreign travelers to Cambodia during the implementation of health measures to prevent and respond. Outbreaks of influenza-19:
About Fees
1. Payment for Foreign Travelers Arriving in Cambodia While Waiting for Sample Result until Result on V-19 Result, I Prefer One Unit Cost Fare from Airport to Center Saving 5 USD / 1 person / 1 Foot Waiting for Testing and Test Results
2 Cost of Sample and Delivery of Sample to US $ 100/152/1 Lab for Testing and Output
3 Cost of Residence in Hotel or Residence $ 30 / day / 1 person determined by the Inter-Ministerial Commission
4 three-course meal cost $ 30 / day per person,
Street 92, Sangkat Wat Phnom, Khan Daun Penh, Phnom Penh, Cambodia 5.32, Sangkat Wat Khas Dan CASIBODIA. Phone (+855) 23 890 666 Phone: (+85) 1.0% 4-
II. Negative Passenger Fee Accommodation with Positive Passenger at Hotel or Resort Center for 14 days Prop. Unit Cost $ 5 Transportation / 1 person /
2 Accommodation Cost At Hotel or Center Center $ 30 / day / 1 person,
3 samples taken and delivery to the department $ 100/1/1 person for testing and output
4 meal cost 3 $ 30 / day / 1
5 people laundry and hygiene services $ 15 / day / 1 person
6 day care services for an average of $ 6 / day / 1 person (center)
7 security services (in packs) 3 USD / day 1 person
III. Costs for the examination and treatment of a positive 19-patient in a state hospital Preferred unit cost $ 5 shipping / 1 person,
2 samples taken and delivery to the department (4 minimum) $ 100 1 person /
3 hospital fee $ 30 / day 1 person
4 treatment cost including maximum dose $ 150 / day 1 person
5 meal cost $ 30 / day 1 person
6 laundry service $ 15 / day /
7 Ambulance according to the hospital's existing service charge chart Physiotherapists by the hospital's existing services list
8 crematorium $ 1,500 / 1 person
IV. Issuance of health certificate related to HIV / AIDS 19 Comments Cost per unit cost $ 100 / person / dose 2 Health certificate issued $ 30 / person 1 time 3. 7 8d 2
A. For hotel accommodations or resorts as defined in Tables I3 and II.2 above, this may be allowed in excess of the amount required for special services.
B. Regarding the procedure for the payment of foreign travelers to Cambodia, payment must be made to the destination provider at the actual cost and in accordance with the cost guidelines set out above. The Ministry of Health should consult with relevant ministries to allow banks to have trouble at arrival and departure terminals so that passengers can deposit money by exchanging debit cards for payment and withdrawing funds in accordance with the spirit of the transaction.
Inter-Ministerial Meeting on Technical Level May 27 and 28, 2020. For the treatment of Kov 5-19 patients at state hospitals, the Ministry of Health should require travelers to purchase local insurance to facilitate payment. At the same time, it is advisable to allow the insurance company to sell the insurance policy with the bank at the international gate in the passenger terminal.
An online system to improve operational efficiency should be designed as soon as possible for passengers to pay, deposit and withdraw the rest, and purchase KVA 5-19 insurance products for the purpose of facilitating.
To travelers in and out of Cambodia. For the fees that state entities (hospitals and laboratories set by the Ministry of Health) receive under this framework, they are allowed to be maintained as a benefit to the development of their unit. Received Allowances from the above Fees shall not be allowed for the allowance in overlap with the principles set forth in Letter No. 2695, MEF, dated 9 April 2020 on the provision of additional allowance policy. For the medical team fighting the epidemic of Kov 5-19, as mentioned above, the Minister would like to know and take action. Ministry of Economy and Finance, some or some specialists
------------------------------------------------
Ich war auf einem Kamboforum unterwegs und fand dies. Wiederum in Englisch und hier lohnt sich vielleicht die Chromesuchmaschine fuer eine deutsche Fassung. Ein aktueller Erfahrungsbericht ueber einen Versuch nach Kambodscha zu kommen:
Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group
Paul M BakerCambodia Visa and Work Permit Group
14 hrs · Shared with Members of Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group
Trip report: Flying from the USA to Phnom Penh.
I booked flights on June 9th from Boston to Phnom Penh on Delta Airlines, who codeshares with Korean Air. In Boston my documents were checked and I was allowed to board for my flight to JFK where I was to transfer to Korean Air.
As soon as I went to the ticket agent at the Korean Air desk and attempted to get a boarding pass a Korean Air supervisor was called over. From his demeanor walking over, I knew that there would be problems. First, he checked my still valid retirement visa and there was nothing that he could say about that. He then spent time looking at my insurance paperwork which was all in order. I had several documents which did more than satisfy what was required by the Cambodian government.
He then started reviewing my Covid test results. First, the report from the clinic stated that Covid 19 was "not detected" and he told me that the report had to say that the test was "negative". We debated that point for a while and then moved on to the format of the report. He insisted that there needed to be a stamp on my Covid test results from a hospital. I wasn't sure what he meant because stamps are not used here in the US for certifying medical documents. He then pointed out other flaws, in his opinion, on the way the the report was formatted. I told him this was a typical laboratory report from a US hospital and that the results were also online on a secure portal to my hospital website. His reply was that he was not going to let me board the flight.
The supervisor mentioned several times during our conversation that Korean Air had many problems with passengers going to Phnom Penh being denied entry and forced to return to their departure city as Korean Air's expense. His solution apparently was just to not allow anyone to fly to Phnom Penh. While I was waiting for my luggage another passenger going to Phnom Penh was denied boarding by Korean Air. I went back to the Delta terminal and was flown back to Boston.
I can't say this conclusively but my gut feeling is that Korean Air, at least at JFK, will not let American citizens board a flight with Phnom Penh as a destination.
So now my Covid test results have timed out. My plan now is to buy a ticket on Asiana, start the document process over again and try again next week. I have friend who is a notary pubic who can put some official looking stamps on my paperwork that should satisfy the small-minded bureaucrats. In addition to the lab report, I will ask the doctor for a letter with his signature stating that I my test was "negative.
Wish me luck.
-------------------------------------------------------
FUCK ME!!!!
In der Diskussion des FB Beitrages tauchte dann dieser Kommentar auf:
"Paul White
I arrived at ICN last night and had the same problem. Covid test from the NHS is emailed negative. They wanted it signed by somebody. Was forced to buy a return incase of problems at PNH. There were. I was placed on next flight back to ICN. Total shambles leaving plane and left to fend for myself being told to go to the korean airline check desk on level 4. No way through immagration and had to purchase an outbound ticket before allowed into terminal. Several others in same position. Why o why did Qatar allow me to board at LHR?
Now waiting to fly to Frankfurt and then onto London. Left on Tuesday 0600 BST to airport. Looks like will be arriving back at home around 0200 BST Friday minus roughly $3,500 USD "
Die Berichte zeigen, dass es wesentliche Unterschiede in der Bewertung der Covid 19 Test Dokumente gibt. Eventuell sollte man sich diese notariell beglaubigen lassen und dann noch in englischer Sprache, am besten in einer Bundesbehoerde. Wahnsinn
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